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arc=pass (i=1 spf=pass spfdomain=siemens.com dkim=pass dkdomain=siemens.com dmarc=pass fromdomain=siemens.com); spf=pass (google.com: domain of felix.moessbauer@siemens.com designates 2a01:111:f403:2612::62a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=felix.moessbauer@siemens.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=siemens.com X-Original-From: "MOESSBAUER, Felix" Reply-To: "MOESSBAUER, Felix" Precedence: list Mailing-list: list isar-users@googlegroups.com; contact isar-users+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: isar-users@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 914930254986 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_MED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on shymkent.ilbers.de X-TUID: Qfi4Cq5pK/8u On Thu, 2024-07-25 at 18:07 +0300, Uladzimir Bely wrote: > `base-apt` is a local apt repository containing all upstream (Debian, > Raspberry Pi OS, Ubuntu...) packages needed for a particular build. > This series implements upfront repository downloading. This is the > first step towards local partial mirror management. >=20 > The current approach in `next`: >=20 > - On the first build, debootstrap and sbuild are used for building > Isar artifacts. The packages downloaded from the Internet are cached > in local directories. > - On the next build: > =C2=A0 - Analyze the logs from the previous build, save packages > downloaded by the bootstraps, sbuilds and imagers into `base-apt`. > =C2=A0 - Use `base-apt` for bootstrapping, building and image creation. >=20 > Some issues with the current approach: >=20 > 1. Different policies must be followed for the first and the > subsequent builds. > 2. As we have multiple versions of the same package from the main and > security repositories and rely on build logs and `find` for > populating `base-apt`, extra care must be taken to ensure that the > right package version lands in `base-apt`. > 3. We rely on internal implementation of `debootstrap` and `sbuild` > for saving and reusing the packages. Changing to e.g. `mmdebstrap` > breaks the unrelated `base-apt` functionality. Hi, what is the overall plan w.r.t. this patch series? My understanding was that we want to switch to mmdebstrap rather sooner than later. But now you write that this will be incompatible with mmdebstrap. For me, this series still looks pretty experimental. Felix > 4. Source packages are stored in a different flat directory, `apt-get > source` for upstream packages is not possible. > 5. At the moment of `base-apt` creation all we have is the package > name. The knowledge about the upstream repositories is lost and no > local repository policy implementation is possible (e.g., for the > "multiple products, multiple distros" use case). > 6. For implementing further use cases like "fetch all sources > necessary for bootstrapping the base system itself", additional logic > is necessary. >=20 --=20 Siemens AG, Technology Linux Expert Center --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= isar-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to isar-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= isar-users/06ec8803dfb228fadd7bd03398817d190914de3f.camel%40siemens.com.