* Remove bootstrap support
@ 2025-11-05 13:11 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
2025-11-06 16:01 ` 'MOESSBAUER, Felix' via isar-users
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From: 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users @ 2025-11-05 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: isar-users, ibr; +Cc: Kiszka, Jan (T CED)
Hi,
I noticed that with kas 5.0 debian-trixie and using own keys in
isar-bootstrap, one runs into the issue that apt-key is deprecated with
trixie.
With:
+PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-host ??= "isar-bootstrap-host"
+PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-target ??= "isar-bootstrap-target"
& setting e.g., HOST_DISTRO_BOOTSTRAP_KEYS
for the isar-bootstrap-host target, the do_generate_keyrings task
returns an error:
sudo: apt-key: command not found
The isar testsuite is not covering isar-bootstrap.
The question is, is the support of bootstrap even needed nowadays or can
it be removed from isar?
Best regards,
Clara Kowalsky
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* Re: Remove bootstrap support
2025-11-05 13:11 Remove bootstrap support 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
@ 2025-11-06 16:01 ` 'MOESSBAUER, Felix' via isar-users
2025-11-06 16:46 ` 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users
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From: 'MOESSBAUER, Felix' via isar-users @ 2025-11-06 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: isar-users, ibr, Kowalsky, Clara; +Cc: Kiszka, Jan
On Wed, 2025-11-05 at 14:11 +0100, 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I noticed that with kas 5.0 debian-trixie and using own keys in
> isar-bootstrap, one runs into the issue that apt-key is deprecated with
> trixie.
>
> With:
> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-host ??= "isar-bootstrap-host"
> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-target ??= "isar-bootstrap-target"
> & setting e.g., HOST_DISTRO_BOOTSTRAP_KEYS
> for the isar-bootstrap-host target, the do_generate_keyrings task
> returns an error:
> sudo: apt-key: command not found
That's a bug...
>
> The isar testsuite is not covering isar-bootstrap.
>
> The question is, is the support of bootstrap even needed nowadays or can
> it be removed from isar?
I also expected that we can sunset the old bootstrap implementation,
but apparently this implementation just got a patch so that it can be
used for building openKylinOS via ISAR [1]. Looks like we still have
users on it.
[1] "bitbake: Move the preferred bootstrap assignment before including
local.conf"
Felix
>
> Best regards,
> Clara Kowalsky
>
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* Re: Remove bootstrap support
2025-11-06 16:01 ` 'MOESSBAUER, Felix' via isar-users
@ 2025-11-06 16:46 ` 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users
2025-11-10 7:39 ` 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users
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From: 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users @ 2025-11-06 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE),
isar-users, ibr, Kowalsky, Clara (FT RPD CED OES-DE)
On 06.11.25 17:01, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) wrote:
> On Wed, 2025-11-05 at 14:11 +0100, 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I noticed that with kas 5.0 debian-trixie and using own keys in
>> isar-bootstrap, one runs into the issue that apt-key is deprecated with
>> trixie.
>>
>> With:
>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-host ??= "isar-bootstrap-host"
>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-target ??= "isar-bootstrap-target"
>> & setting e.g., HOST_DISTRO_BOOTSTRAP_KEYS
>> for the isar-bootstrap-host target, the do_generate_keyrings task
>> returns an error:
>> sudo: apt-key: command not found
>
> That's a bug...
>
>>
>> The isar testsuite is not covering isar-bootstrap.
>>
>> The question is, is the support of bootstrap even needed nowadays or can
>> it be removed from isar?
>
> I also expected that we can sunset the old bootstrap implementation,
> but apparently this implementation just got a patch so that it can be
> used for building openKylinOS via ISAR [1]. Looks like we still have
> users on it.
>
> [1] "bitbake: Move the preferred bootstrap assignment before including
> local.conf"
>
Before blocking the removal of this untested legacy code due to some
not-yet-upstream-proposed extension, I would like to first of all see
that extension proposed and secondly get explained why openKylinOS does
not work with mmdebstrap. Or does it bring its own bootstrap?
Jan
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* Re: Remove bootstrap support
2025-11-06 16:46 ` 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users
@ 2025-11-10 7:39 ` 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users
2025-11-11 8:03 ` 'Liu, Yi' via isar-users
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From: 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users @ 2025-11-10 7:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE),
isar-users, ibr, Kowalsky, Clara (FT RPD CED OES-DE),
Liu Yi
On 06.11.25 17:46, 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users wrote:
> On 06.11.25 17:01, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) wrote:
>> On Wed, 2025-11-05 at 14:11 +0100, 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I noticed that with kas 5.0 debian-trixie and using own keys in
>>> isar-bootstrap, one runs into the issue that apt-key is deprecated with
>>> trixie.
>>>
>>> With:
>>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-host ??= "isar-bootstrap-host"
>>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-target ??= "isar-bootstrap-target"
>>> & setting e.g., HOST_DISTRO_BOOTSTRAP_KEYS
>>> for the isar-bootstrap-host target, the do_generate_keyrings task
>>> returns an error:
>>> sudo: apt-key: command not found
>>
>> That's a bug...
>>
>>>
>>> The isar testsuite is not covering isar-bootstrap.
>>>
>>> The question is, is the support of bootstrap even needed nowadays or can
>>> it be removed from isar?
>>
>> I also expected that we can sunset the old bootstrap implementation,
>> but apparently this implementation just got a patch so that it can be
>> used for building openKylinOS via ISAR [1]. Looks like we still have
>> users on it.
>>
>> [1] "bitbake: Move the preferred bootstrap assignment before including
>> local.conf"
>>
>
> Before blocking the removal of this untested legacy code due to some
> not-yet-upstream-proposed extension, I would like to first of all see
> that extension proposed and secondly get explained why openKylinOS does
> not work with mmdebstrap. Or does it bring its own bootstrap?
>
Ping - specifically to our openKylinOS expect. ;)
There are only two options:
A) fix the isar-bootstrap issue Clara found AND re-add isar-bootstrap
to some tests
B) drop isar-bootstrap, maybe only leaving bootstrap-host/target for
now so that downstream can still override where needed
Leaving things as they are or only doing half of option A) are no
alternatives.
Jan
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* RE: Remove bootstrap support
2025-11-10 7:39 ` 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users
@ 2025-11-11 8:03 ` 'Liu, Yi' via isar-users
2025-11-11 15:27 ` 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: 'Liu, Yi' via isar-users @ 2025-11-11 8:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kiszka, Jan; +Cc: MOESSBAUER, Felix, isar-users, ibr, Kowalsky, Clara
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kiszka, Jan (FT RPD CED) <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2025 3:40 PM
> To: Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE)
> <felix.moessbauer@siemens.com>; isar-users@googlegroups.com;
> ibr@ilbers.de; Kowalsky, Clara (FT RPD CED OES-DE)
> <clara.kowalsky@siemens.com>; Liu, Yi (FT RPD CED INW-CN)
> <liuyi@siemens.com>
> Subject: Re: Remove bootstrap support
>
> On 06.11.25 17:46, 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users wrote:
> > On 06.11.25 17:01, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2025-11-05 at 14:11 +0100, 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I noticed that with kas 5.0 debian-trixie and using own keys in
> >>> isar-bootstrap, one runs into the issue that apt-key is deprecated
> >>> with trixie.
> >>>
> >>> With:
> >>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-host ??= "isar-bootstrap-host"
> >>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-target ??= "isar-bootstrap-target"
> >>> & setting e.g., HOST_DISTRO_BOOTSTRAP_KEYS for the
> >>> isar-bootstrap-host target, the do_generate_keyrings task returns an
> >>> error:
> >>> sudo: apt-key: command not found
> >>
> >> That's a bug...
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The isar testsuite is not covering isar-bootstrap.
> >>>
> >>> The question is, is the support of bootstrap even needed nowadays or
> >>> can it be removed from isar?
> >>
> >> I also expected that we can sunset the old bootstrap implementation,
> >> but apparently this implementation just got a patch so that it can be
> >> used for building openKylinOS via ISAR [1]. Looks like we still have
> >> users on it.
> >>
> >> [1] "bitbake: Move the preferred bootstrap assignment before
> >> including local.conf"
> >>
> >
> > Before blocking the removal of this untested legacy code due to some
> > not-yet-upstream-proposed extension, I would like to first of all see
> > that extension proposed and secondly get explained why openKylinOS
> > does not work with mmdebstrap. Or does it bring its own bootstrap?
> >
>
> Ping - specifically to our openKylinOS expect. ;)
OpenKylinOS does support build its own rootfs through both debootstrap and mmdebstrap.
It just got failed when building via ISAR with mmdebstrap.
I am trying to figure out why it happens.
Dropping isar-bootstrap might affect building OpenkylinOS in the short term, but eventually it
will work with mmdebstrap.
Liu Yi
>
> There are only two options:
> A) fix the isar-bootstrap issue Clara found AND re-add isar-bootstrap
> to some tests
> B) drop isar-bootstrap, maybe only leaving bootstrap-host/target for
> now so that downstream can still override where needed
>
> Leaving things as they are or only doing half of option A) are no alternatives.
>
> Jan
>
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* Re: Remove bootstrap support
2025-11-11 8:03 ` 'Liu, Yi' via isar-users
@ 2025-11-11 15:27 ` 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
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From: 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users @ 2025-11-11 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Liu, Yi (FT RPD CED INW-CN), Kiszka, Jan (FT RPD CED)
Cc: Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE), isar-users, ibr
On 11/11/25 09:03, Liu, Yi (FT RPD CED INW-CN) wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kiszka, Jan (FT RPD CED) <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2025 3:40 PM
>> To: Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE)
>> <felix.moessbauer@siemens.com>; isar-users@googlegroups.com;
>> ibr@ilbers.de; Kowalsky, Clara (FT RPD CED OES-DE)
>> <clara.kowalsky@siemens.com>; Liu, Yi (FT RPD CED INW-CN)
>> <liuyi@siemens.com>
>> Subject: Re: Remove bootstrap support
>>
>> On 06.11.25 17:46, 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users wrote:
>>> On 06.11.25 17:01, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2025-11-05 at 14:11 +0100, 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed that with kas 5.0 debian-trixie and using own keys in
>>>>> isar-bootstrap, one runs into the issue that apt-key is deprecated
>>>>> with trixie.
>>>>>
>>>>> With:
>>>>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-host ??= "isar-bootstrap-host"
>>>>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-target ??= "isar-bootstrap-target"
>>>>> & setting e.g., HOST_DISTRO_BOOTSTRAP_KEYS for the
>>>>> isar-bootstrap-host target, the do_generate_keyrings task returns an
>>>>> error:
>>>>> sudo: apt-key: command not found
>>>>
>>>> That's a bug...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The isar testsuite is not covering isar-bootstrap.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is, is the support of bootstrap even needed nowadays or
>>>>> can it be removed from isar?
>>>>
>>>> I also expected that we can sunset the old bootstrap implementation,
>>>> but apparently this implementation just got a patch so that it can be
>>>> used for building openKylinOS via ISAR [1]. Looks like we still have
>>>> users on it.
>>>>
>>>> [1] "bitbake: Move the preferred bootstrap assignment before
>>>> including local.conf"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Before blocking the removal of this untested legacy code due to some
>>> not-yet-upstream-proposed extension, I would like to first of all see
>>> that extension proposed and secondly get explained why openKylinOS
>>> does not work with mmdebstrap. Or does it bring its own bootstrap?
>>>
>>
>> Ping - specifically to our openKylinOS expect. ;)
>
>
> OpenKylinOS does support build its own rootfs through both debootstrap and mmdebstrap.
> It just got failed when building via ISAR with mmdebstrap.
>
> I am trying to figure out why it happens.
>
> Dropping isar-bootstrap might affect building OpenkylinOS in the short term, but eventually it
> will work with mmdebstrap.
>
> Liu Yi
This should not be a showstopper.>
>>
>> There are only two options:
>> A) fix the isar-bootstrap issue Clara found AND re-add isar-bootstrap
>> to some tests
>> B) drop isar-bootstrap, maybe only leaving bootstrap-host/target for
>> now so that downstream can still override where needed
>>
>> Leaving things as they are or only doing half of option A) are no alternatives.
>>
>> Jan
>>
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So far, no one has come forward who absolutely needs isar-bootstrap.
With that, I would go with option B and send the patch to remove
isar-bootstrap support.
Best regards,
Clara
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