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dkim=pass header.i=@siemens.com header.s=selector2 header.b=OxBM8BoO; arc=pass (i=1 spf=pass spfdomain=siemens.com dkim=pass dkdomain=siemens.com dmarc=pass fromdomain=siemens.com); spf=pass (google.com: domain of clara.kowalsky@siemens.com designates 2a01:111:f403:c200::5 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=clara.kowalsky@siemens.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=siemens.com X-Original-From: Clara Kowalsky Reply-To: Clara Kowalsky Precedence: list Mailing-list: list isar-users@googlegroups.com; contact isar-users+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: isar-users@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 914930254986 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_MED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on shymkent.ilbers.de X-TUID: 5p2+VXAiiBxu On 11/11/25 09:03, Liu, Yi (FT RPD CED INW-CN) wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kiszka, Jan (FT RPD CED) >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2025 3:40 PM >> To: Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) >> ; isar-users@googlegroups.com; >> ibr@ilbers.de; Kowalsky, Clara (FT RPD CED OES-DE) >> ; Liu, Yi (FT RPD CED INW-CN) >> >> Subject: Re: Remove bootstrap support >> >> On 06.11.25 17:46, 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users wrote: >>> On 06.11.25 17:01, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) wrote: >>>> On Wed, 2025-11-05 at 14:11 +0100, 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I noticed that with kas 5.0 debian-trixie and using own keys in >>>>> isar-bootstrap, one runs into the issue that apt-key is deprecated >>>>> with trixie. >>>>> >>>>> With: >>>>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-host ??= "isar-bootstrap-host" >>>>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-target ??= "isar-bootstrap-target" >>>>> & setting e.g., HOST_DISTRO_BOOTSTRAP_KEYS for the >>>>> isar-bootstrap-host target, the do_generate_keyrings task returns an >>>>> error: >>>>> sudo: apt-key: command not found >>>> >>>> That's a bug... >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The isar testsuite is not covering isar-bootstrap. >>>>> >>>>> The question is, is the support of bootstrap even needed nowadays or >>>>> can it be removed from isar? >>>> >>>> I also expected that we can sunset the old bootstrap implementation, >>>> but apparently this implementation just got a patch so that it can be >>>> used for building openKylinOS via ISAR [1]. Looks like we still have >>>> users on it. >>>> >>>> [1] "bitbake: Move the preferred bootstrap assignment before >>>> including local.conf" >>>> >>> >>> Before blocking the removal of this untested legacy code due to some >>> not-yet-upstream-proposed extension, I would like to first of all see >>> that extension proposed and secondly get explained why openKylinOS >>> does not work with mmdebstrap. Or does it bring its own bootstrap? >>> >> >> Ping - specifically to our openKylinOS expect. ;) > > > OpenKylinOS does support build its own rootfs through both debootstrap and mmdebstrap. > It just got failed when building via ISAR with mmdebstrap. > > I am trying to figure out why it happens. > > Dropping isar-bootstrap might affect building OpenkylinOS in the short term, but eventually it > will work with mmdebstrap. > > Liu Yi This should not be a showstopper.> >> >> There are only two options: >> A) fix the isar-bootstrap issue Clara found AND re-add isar-bootstrap >> to some tests >> B) drop isar-bootstrap, maybe only leaving bootstrap-host/target for >> now so that downstream can still override where needed >> >> Leaving things as they are or only doing half of option A) are no alternatives. >> >> Jan >> >> -- >> Siemens AG, Foundational Technologies >> Linux Expert Center So far, no one has come forward who absolutely needs isar-bootstrap. 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