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Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:23:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Lightning talk about ISAR To: "isar-users@googlegroups.com" References: <20211209230201.6dde4808@md1za8fc.ad001.siemens.net> <20211210105632.GK22100@yssyq.m.ilbers.de> From: Jan Kiszka Message-ID: <2dc10075-143d-0114-1163-9a9d9075d9b1@siemens.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:23:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20211210105632.GK22100@yssyq.m.ilbers.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: jan.kiszka@siemens.com X-Originating-IP: [167.87.72.174] X-ClientProxiedBy: DEMCHDC8A1A.ad011.siemens.net (139.25.226.107) To DEMCHDC8A0A.ad011.siemens.net (139.25.226.106) X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 31d7dfc4-42a0-4cf0-884d-08d9bbcf80a2 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: DB7PR10MB2491:EE_ X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-MS-Oob-TLC-OOBClassifiers: OLM:9508; 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X-OriginatorOrg: siemens.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2021 11:23:33.9614 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 31d7dfc4-42a0-4cf0-884d-08d9bbcf80a2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 38ae3bcd-9579-4fd4-adda-b42e1495d55a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalAttributedTenantConnectingIp: TenantId=38ae3bcd-9579-4fd4-adda-b42e1495d55a;Ip=[194.138.21.73];Helo=[hybrid.siemens.com] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: HE1EUR01FT040.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR10MB2491 X-TUID: SoQutudXkjjy On 10.12.21 11:56, Baurzhan Ismagulov wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2021 at 11:02:01PM +0100, Henning Schild wrote: >> the talk went well and i think we can conclude that Isar adoption is >> right on track! We have many stakeholders building their firmwares with >> Isar and being pretty happy with it! > > Glad to hear that! > > >> We did have a poll at the end to see where users see room for >> improvement. I hope Felix will share the results ... but the number one >> topic was "documentation" if i recall correctly. > > Yes, I agree it's time to prioritize this continuous TODO item. If you have a > list of specific topics other than known ones, it would help. > > >> Surpringly the API >> changelog seems fine ... even if we have to break things every once i a >> while! > > This is also good to know. > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 09:20:48PM +0100, Henning Schild wrote: >> i stopped all rebasing and pinging because we need that sstate to speed >> up and get all those open MRs merged. Some of them introduce tests and >> i decided to hold them back after avocado. Will be happy to re-send >> once sstate is in and we gain some much needed speed. > > Now that avocado and sstate cache is in, if any other patches have priority, > please give us a hint. > IMHO: Stabilization patches so that 0.8-rc1 can be tagged and then 0.8. After that, we should look into sbuild and other refactorings that are pending. Jan -- Siemens AG, T RDA IOT Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux