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dkim=pass header.i=@siemens.com header.s=selector2 header.b=Lrvdquef; arc=pass (i=1 spf=pass spfdomain=siemens.com dkim=pass dkdomain=siemens.com dmarc=pass fromdomain=siemens.com); spf=pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 2a01:111:f403:c207::3 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jan.kiszka@siemens.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=siemens.com X-Original-From: Jan Kiszka Reply-To: Jan Kiszka Precedence: list Mailing-list: list isar-users@googlegroups.com; contact isar-users+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: isar-users@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 914930254986 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_MED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on shymkent.ilbers.de X-TUID: 2ufFttKjqNCh On 25.03.26 17:41, Baurzhan Ismagulov wrote: > On 2026-03-24 15:48, 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users wrote: >>> My earlier explanation regarding the "timestamp" was not accurate. The >>> timestamp reflects when the BitBake build was started. In a multiconfig >>> build >>> where two configs are built in the same command, the timestamp is ident= ical >>> and therefore cannot be used to distinguish between the two configs. >>> >>> OE separates multiconfig builds by using different TMPDIRs, for example= by >>> adding the following to each multiconfig .conf file: >>> =C2=A0 TMPDIR .=3D "-${BB_CURRENT_MC}" >>> >>> This results in different build directories such as "tmp-qemuarm64" and >>> "tmp-qemuarm64kerneldebug". Build artifacts with the same names but >>> different >>> contents from two configs do not collide with each other. >>> >>> If we configure two multiconfig .conf files to use the same TMPDIR, >>> conflicts >>> can occur and OE does not handle that. Artifacts with the same name >>> overwrite >>> each other, and the build results become incorrect. >>> >>> In this way, the logic of the Isar build tmp directory differs from OE. >>> Do we >>> need to document these differences in the commit message? >> >> This should definitely be documented. >> >> But we should also step back and reconsider the strategy here: Are we >> really addressing all conflicts this way that OE resolves via separate >> TMPDIRs, or will we have to fix more in the future while OE does not? >> This here is a path-breaking change, thus should not be taken lightly >> when it is not the final solution (most likely). >> >> Otherwise, it might be safer to "just" adopt the OE pattern and resolve >> the issue this way. Unless that has other downsides. >=20 > We'll send v8 with more info on this. I'd like to have it merged and proc= eed > with the release. >=20 > Regarding the strategy, I still think we should only cover the use cases = we > have right now, because when the potential use cases really occur, a gene= ric > solution can look differently. This is for sure not the last occasion whe= re we > change the paths. >=20 > "Different tmp per dtb" is in my opinion an overkill after we've split > tmp/deploy. A similar approach caused dependency issues in a downstream a= nd our > current "isar-installer" multiconfig could also be affected by it. In gen= eral, > OE's "split tmp" approach looks like a workaround to avoid dealing with > multiconfig issues; but in Isar, multiconfigs are a core feature, so I th= ink a > deviation is justified. A tmp split would go beyond dtbs. And I still haven't read concretely what makes Isar so different from OE when it comes to deployment. Irrespective of that, multiconfig is not as prominently used with Isar as it is used in Isar itself. The vast majority of downstream deployments is single config. The only unavoidable use cases are installer-like scenarios (image-in-image). Whenever you can build separately, you parallelize, even when duplicating some steps. Only few downstreams can wait for builds as long as we do in upstream for the testsuite. Jan --=20 Siemens AG, Foundational Technologies Linux Expert Center --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= isar-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to isar-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/isar-users/= 30fc26f8-c8fc-4647-811e-df76a909ccc7%40siemens.com.