From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 6659262894210809856 X-Received: by 2002:a2e:844d:: with SMTP id u13-v6mr1472038ljh.17.1550520569292; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:09:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: isar-users@googlegroups.com Received: by 2002:a19:a786:: with SMTP id q128ls1309963lfe.1.gmail; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:09:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IY1mvmAH2W8ZQ47a/shzQVGtpN1GSQhzvYl9MnaWZWar73UhsT+I78YtCdVEIgmgi2dVWcP X-Received: by 2002:ac2:51b8:: with SMTP id f24mr1415798lfk.6.1550520568560; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:09:28 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1550520568; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=FqIesa2xGx5sbqoNoiH6u5L7GwOZgIMmR6YAEr6IlqGmzv64mdUb2DBqJkxuk/f7+M oJrrIIlP8tPUko+gjuE53tKFJWBQpEC0GGWMB5YgE/ad4JFCSEQRS+VptGfx2ogh0LJQ MO66/aD7bvNHo3iso4/90ew1aHqb2KZxXgW2jRYWadFfb4RiClZkOZuRgMvAew57TXKZ yzDsS1yXHtyVt3FE89zUEwXU/YeGDA+xWhG+LFzKUcWTOiXV6FQlMR5V9P6WhOSJRjk1 eRFaaTgcA5bPSOSYDcqLXA/trZeZys1uWLnJ1QuapL/n2J+BSUeRh97Tc03lcb0eFnR+ lrCQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-language:in-reply-to:mime-version :user-agent:date:message-id:from:references:to:subject; bh=6bE2VmgT3i1xifLSl8vtUzBfHDukiJa8TGrqV3lGzA0=; b=qDQVu6MC35BaHZZTI6dCfbzeRJTwGN9hNqxHuzYFJz+7ZBjPfUC0ySmHvsw4vL6cjg ZyUk/JgxQVkYk/gggLes165ixtXftcc48lB61bSX8XRQusKhfI4f3/BvylRlnTxYaOug 7C0E3RWczkn+KqqdhPdx+1kQk5azYd/475pu4LGDXb+ZoO2/Xm6aXFCvoVxsDuQaXCXK I/WX02jWsH6f2vfMB2PA3Snjsbgq8EpAZtKFWRepAEbmZZs7jAzYS2XAdd51XMnvMo1F 8kXZO6FEQflhtPNuMwOCIewYAB7In5J1lukex7GfE2WgHf8pT/xSsT5SxbF7XSbWhV/S t4Pw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 192.35.17.14 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jan.kiszka@siemens.com Return-Path: Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de. [192.35.17.14]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c17si130838lff.1.2019.02.18.12.09.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 192.35.17.14 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.35.17.14; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 192.35.17.14 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jan.kiszka@siemens.com Received: from mail1.sbs.de (mail1.sbs.de [192.129.41.35]) by david.siemens.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x1IK9Rbl018852 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:09:27 +0100 Received: from [139.22.39.191] ([139.22.39.191]) by mail1.sbs.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x1IK9QvF016139; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:09:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Upcoming ISAR release To: "[ext] Claudius Heine" , "Maxim Yu. Osipov" , isar-users References: <96e3ec90-3a4d-dcb0-1645-725d5d7d7094@siemens.com> <55b9ae17-4e39-7f65-2a0e-29b8173c814e@ilbers.de> <206fc335-0158-6288-a23a-e34852c12784@siemens.com> From: Jan Kiszka Message-ID: <3312e43d-bac5-f8c0-76ad-8b71c6ebc0d8@siemens.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:09:26 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); de; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080226 SUSE/2.0.0.12-1.1 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <206fc335-0158-6288-a23a-e34852c12784@siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TUID: E1qDZGQ96cby On 18.02.19 12:52, [ext] Claudius Heine wrote: >>> >>>   - Remove jessie support >> >> That's a point which I don't understand - yes, we don't support jessie as a >> host system, but why don't continue to support jessie based targets if this >> doesn't require big efforts? > > Well IMO it does require effort as shown with the unavailable `-d` parameter in > mkfs.ext4. For image creation not the build machine tools should be used but > those of the host (or what you call target), which should then be >=stretch. The > image creation tools might have patches applied to them. Jessie might be nice from testing perspective, but only when it's not making life too hard for moving on. Practically, it plays no role in the field, simply because everyone started on Stretch as Isar was not usable at the time jessie was the latest version. > >> Industrial programming is very conservative in this point (that's why all >> these https://www.cip-project.org/ serve for). > > That has nothing to do with this. linux-cip is a project to support kernel > versions for ~25 years. AFAIK nobody does that for the userspace. Not quite: Kernel and a set of Debian core packages (we are still shaping the latter set) will be maintained for 10 (ten) years. There will soon be an official Isar layer encoding that package set (it's currently only in https://gitlab.com/cip-playground/isar-cip-core). Jan -- Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT RDA IOT SES-DE Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux