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dkim=pass header.i=@siemens.com header.s=selector2 header.b=vA62sxTz; arc=pass (i=1 spf=pass spfdomain=siemens.com dkim=pass dkdomain=siemens.com dmarc=pass fromdomain=siemens.com); spf=pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 2a01:111:f403:2612::62b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jan.kiszka@siemens.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=siemens.com X-Original-From: Jan Kiszka Reply-To: Jan Kiszka Precedence: list Mailing-list: list isar-users@googlegroups.com; contact isar-users+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: isar-users@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 914930254986 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_MED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on shymkent.ilbers.de X-TUID: jLk245NtY9DR On 13.11.24 07:51, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) wrote: > On Mon, 2024-11-11 at 20:48 +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote: >> On 11.11.24 18:58, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) wrote: >>> On Mon, 2024-11-11 at 16:56 +0100, Jan Kiszka wrote: >>>> On 11.11.24 16:17, Anton Mikanovich wrote: >>>>> 11/11/2024 16:52, Jan Kiszka wrote: >>>>>> We could only lock known sessions against each other. But >>>>>> that >>>>>> would >>>>>> already help everything that runs in a CI runner, maybe in a >>>>>> kas- >>>>>> isar >>>>>> container. Not perfect but would probably address 99% of >>>>>> cases >>>>>> today. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan >>>>>> >>>>> This will result in serialization of do_dpkg_build tasks and >>>>> will >>>>> cause >>>>> Isar >>>>> slowdown. >>>>> >>>> >>>> OK, that was the information I was looking for - and was afraid >>>> of. >>>> >>>> But even if your PR would be merged tomorrow (which is completely >>>> unpredictable right now), it would still require backports to >>>> bookworm >>>> at least, and those would need to be deployed locally or >>>> integrated >>>> into >>>> future versions of kas. All that is not going to happen soon - if >>>> at >>>> all. It may even be that only trixes schroot will have all what >>>> we >>>> need. >>> >>> We have similar problems with apt and proper rate-limit handling. >>> But >>> that's OT. >>> >>> At a second thought I'm wondering if we should drop schroot at all >>> and >>> use mmdebstrap + unshare. By that, the sbuild also does no longer >>> require root access. I'm running sbuild with unshare backend for >>> some >>> time locally now (not with ISAR, though). >>> >> >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/06/msg00257.html=C2=A0- there >> is >> likely no simple answer for the backend yet. >=20 > For me that reads like unschroot is just a unshare backend on steroids. > But as we can't use that prior to trixie, it probably does not help > here. Still I see no reason that blocks us from using the unshare > backend. My point was that there are apparently enough limitations of unshare to motivate this additional backend work. And that concerns me that we would only replace problems with different problems. Jan >=20 >> >> BTW, would unshare work at all inside our build containers? >=20 > Yes, that works as namespaces can be stacked - that's how podman user > (non root) containers work. >=20 > Felix >=20 >> >> Jan >> >=20 --=20 Siemens AG, Technology Linux Expert Center --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= isar-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to isar-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/isar-users/= 550f894e-c273-4586-947b-f93e5c85df75%40siemens.com.