From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 6591699875972251648 X-Received: by 2002:a1c:2395:: with SMTP id j143-v6mr1703795wmj.2.1534749864627; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: isar-users@googlegroups.com Received: by 2002:a1c:f405:: with SMTP id z5-v6ls3128831wma.8.gmail; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPz0AVdXmj2HESaOwOUmfMe9slh9GeoHrLOFqVihwyGPNM58awjpo8xm1KqyxzAtwhHizM1X X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f90e:: with SMTP id x14-v6mr3642326wmh.14.1534749864276; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1534749864; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=cdW1GNjZDBnVcl3W0Q2XL0rJXSR2qKTE/s1v/vfjg7t9wPhpfcQuaf5Q6f7zMQ/uqF BEftB4DZKHvBz9rmf1rd+FN+wiyRto6XxSZYbzlTA9rTkr2Byk4OwmycT9C7yJQKoA3b GwamtzC2uPr5JsuJVXKiG+qywVCniASskCU3Mot566EtGakEdq4b6Et3Cz662770ZxfC uwj0k3AXUgCChbECZus1SrAR+YaPcZyEpQdY17VQ6I1500yEVgqHeM5vvS7Kvz7v0cNB j/mtNRUBL617YByzfd5iOFHOtBg6WZ27+7cdlsQwL1x3sPMNNCmUvdWNTqpq3yVRir/H iiRQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-language:in-reply-to:mime-version :user-agent:date:message-id:references:to:from:subject :arc-authentication-results; bh=Q1NdVxpHyG969jUA8MQ2ja61ETpdJC474AHSJJGej7c=; b=V5pzaeVhk22akzTBQRBBiFBr0sCk9uQtIqIGVbd9s0QBzKeMMuncp0EjDfu930pDPb 6k9S/oZqhks0Drb/hfyldVTeFx89A27zSFNxZcR3OtsZrKjJb/R5jmN23u/Bn+Q5UqAY iHFHZGMr9oEJX5tADbAd30VAed0Csg/Ngxj6Rj/ayVoZrlHpw8YXzMWeuBGVf26SRVNq J7Vg5HcDmlwMRVl6KwNZXa91C0dstzHchHRIgz2J891bp2uggowBq5/XKkMngY90BSwA WtTFi+Z17x7SNEtabX4PRWatdugvG9v5TFLsaI+1W2DsJT/m4MQRUL64lnlMlwXtw4bI /IBA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 192.35.17.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jan.kiszka@siemens.com Return-Path: Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de. [192.35.17.28]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t23-v6si305932wmh.4.2018.08.20.00.24.24 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 192.35.17.28 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.35.17.28; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 192.35.17.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jan.kiszka@siemens.com Received: from mail2.sbs.de (mail2.sbs.de [192.129.41.66]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w7K7ONe3027235 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:24:23 +0200 Received: from [139.22.37.21] ([139.22.37.21]) by mail2.sbs.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w7K7ONXU031964 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:24:23 +0200 Subject: Re: Minimizing isar-image-base From: Jan Kiszka To: isar-users References: <0228b199-d672-6610-0180-c8a84542366c@siemens.com> Message-ID: <6d8f5926-8c9d-b493-2d44-07c5a8c32601@siemens.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:24:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); de; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080226 SUSE/2.0.0.12-1.1 Thunderbird/2.0.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0228b199-d672-6610-0180-c8a84542366c@siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TUID: HX1rgW0msOnu On 2018-08-20 09:22, Jan Kiszka wrote: > Hi all, > > a couple of questions on what we pre-install into the de-facto standard > base image for everything that builds on Isar: > > - Why do we pre-install init, but only for >= stretch? > > - Why do we pre-install dbus? > > - Can we make apt optional? Installing it as transient package by >   default, e.g. What would happen if a downstream image then puts it >   into PREINSTALL again? Should we filter IMAGE_TRANSIENT_PACKAGES >   against IMAGE_PREINSTALL? > > Alternatively, we could define some isar-image-tiny that removes > packages from the base image, possibly also some that debootstrap pulls in. > > Ideas, suggestions? > > Jan > Oh, and we may want to consider doing that meta/meta-isar refactoring now. Stuff like isar-image-base could become debian-image-base under meta. Jan -- Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT RDA IOT SES-DE Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux