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dkim=pass header.i=@siemens.com header.s=selector2 header.b=IZLcQ0Q8; arc=pass (i=1 spf=pass spfdomain=siemens.com dkim=pass dkdomain=siemens.com dmarc=pass fromdomain=siemens.com); spf=pass (google.com: domain of jan.kiszka@siemens.com designates 2a01:111:f403:c200::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jan.kiszka@siemens.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=siemens.com X-Original-From: Jan Kiszka Reply-To: Jan Kiszka Precedence: list Mailing-list: list isar-users@googlegroups.com; contact isar-users+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: isar-users@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 914930254986 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_MED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on shymkent.ilbers.de X-TUID: oGjNZKdY38ue On 06.11.25 17:46, 'Jan Kiszka' via isar-users wrote: > On 06.11.25 17:01, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) wrote: >> On Wed, 2025-11-05 at 14:11 +0100, 'Clara Kowalsky' via isar-users >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I noticed that with kas 5.0 debian-trixie and using own keys in >>> isar-bootstrap, one runs into the issue that apt-key is deprecated with >>> trixie. >>> >>> With: >>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-host ??= "isar-bootstrap-host" >>> +PREFERRED_PROVIDER_bootstrap-target ??= "isar-bootstrap-target" >>> & setting e.g., HOST_DISTRO_BOOTSTRAP_KEYS >>> for the isar-bootstrap-host target, the do_generate_keyrings task >>> returns an error: >>> sudo: apt-key: command not found >> >> That's a bug... >> >>> >>> The isar testsuite is not covering isar-bootstrap. >>> >>> The question is, is the support of bootstrap even needed nowadays or can >>> it be removed from isar? >> >> I also expected that we can sunset the old bootstrap implementation, >> but apparently this implementation just got a patch so that it can be >> used for building openKylinOS via ISAR [1]. Looks like we still have >> users on it. >> >> [1] "bitbake: Move the preferred bootstrap assignment before including >> local.conf" >> > > Before blocking the removal of this untested legacy code due to some > not-yet-upstream-proposed extension, I would like to first of all see > that extension proposed and secondly get explained why openKylinOS does > not work with mmdebstrap. Or does it bring its own bootstrap? > Ping - specifically to our openKylinOS expect. ;) There are only two options: A) fix the isar-bootstrap issue Clara found AND re-add isar-bootstrap to some tests B) drop isar-bootstrap, maybe only leaving bootstrap-host/target for now so that downstream can still override where needed Leaving things as they are or only doing half of option A) are no alternatives. Jan -- Siemens AG, Foundational Technologies Linux Expert Center -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "isar-users" group. 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