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[85.214.62.211]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g21si55142edm.4.2018.03.14.03.38.18 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of asmirnov@ilbers.de designates 85.214.62.211 as permitted sender) client-ip=85.214.62.211; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of asmirnov@ilbers.de designates 85.214.62.211 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=asmirnov@ilbers.de Received: from [10.0.2.15] ([188.227.110.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by aqmola.ilbers.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4+deb7u1) with ESMTP id w2EAcD1t013318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:38:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] implement isar-bootstrap using debootstrap To: Claudius Heine , claudius.heine.ext@siemens.com, isar-users@googlegroups.com References: <20180307164457.31933-1-claudius.heine.ext@siemens.com> <20180307164457.31933-2-claudius.heine.ext@siemens.com> <11d20fad-e1bc-2e0d-e227-2c4ddc512dcb@ilbers.de> <1521021141.16621.86.camel@denx.de> From: Alexander Smirnov Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:38:07 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1521021141.16621.86.camel@denx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TUID: TBP4Zb6JNvdK On 03/14/2018 12:52 PM, Claudius Heine wrote: > Hi Alex, > > On Wed, 2018-03-14 at 11:56 +0300, Alexander Smirnov wrote: >> On 03/07/2018 07:44 PM, claudius.heine.ext@siemens.com wrote: >>> From: Claudius Heine >>> >>> Since multistrap is deprecated for some years, it is required to >>> change >>> to debootstrap. >>> >>> This patch introduces the 'isar-bootstrap' recipe that implement >>> the >>> creation of a minimal base root file system using debootstrap. >>> >> >> Why do you use term 'bootstrap'? It's completely different topic >> than >> debootstrap. > > Because I want to be implementation independent. If for some reason > someone wants to change the name of the tool again (I know its not to > be expected), this way only the implementation of the isar-bootstrap > needs to be changed. > In theory with an alternative implementation of some interfaces other > distribution could be supported. I don't know in which direction isar > will go, but binding your interface names to tightly to the name of > some third-party products is not a good idea. > > What I tried is called loose coupling and that is generally seen as a > good software design pattern. > >> According to the wiki: >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianBootstrap#Bootstrapping >> >> Bootstraping is a process of creation Debian from zero to a full >> archive. > > The word "bootstrapping" is used in many projects and generally > describes starting something from almost nothing. Also this patchset > doesn't use "DebianBootstrap" is uses "isar-bootstrap". In this case just do not use terms from Debian world. It would be enough to name it like 'base-rootfs'. That's for example, how 'buildchroot' term was invented, to avoid intersections with 'sysroot' and 'buildroot'. AFAIK there are 2 kinds opinions in Debian community about bootstraping: - Build from sources (DebianBootstrap, rebootstrap) - Install from debs (debootstrap) My question, why it's so important to use initially ambiguous term, which may lead to potential confusing for Debian users? Alex