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X-OriginatorOrg: siemens.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2022 15:38:26.3957 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 6733cbcb-b8d4-4489-badb-08da1e2cd141 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 38ae3bcd-9579-4fd4-adda-b42e1495d55a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalAttributedTenantConnectingIp: TenantId=38ae3bcd-9579-4fd4-adda-b42e1495d55a;Ip=[194.138.21.71];Helo=[hybrid.siemens.com] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: VE1EUR01FT037.eop-EUR01.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM7PR10MB3495 X-TUID: S7kvStAe3v6h On 14.04.22 10:08, Henning Schild wrote: > Am Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:15:47 +0000 > schrieb : > >> Hi Henning Schild, >> >> Thank you for the comments. >> >> Please find my comments inline. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: isar-users@googlegroups.com On >>> Behalf Of Henning Schild >>> Sent: 11 April 2022 16:24 >>> To: pyla venkata(ＴＳＩＰ) >>> Cc: isar-users@googlegroups.com; jan.kiszka@siemens.com; dinesh >>> kumar(ＴＳＩＰ) ; hayashi kazuhiro(林 >>> 和宏 □ＳＷＣ◯ＡＣＴ) >>> Subject: Re: [isar 0/1] Fix non-reproducible issue due to localepurge >>> >>> Am Sun, 10 Apr 2022 22:32:28 +0530 >>> schrieb venkata.pyla@toshiba-tsip.com: >>> >>>> From: venkata pyla >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> Replying to this mail conversation, >>>> (https://groups.google.com/g/isar-users/c/JCgpWU_pFJU/m/IwlYTmzQBQAJ) >>>> >>>> For the problem "debconf cache non-reproducible", I figured out a >>>> solution in isar system itself. >>> >>> Generating configuration items and placing them before a package gets >>> installed is very common. It is not only done by Isar but very >>> likely by many packages in debian that cater for other packages. >>> >>> What you are suggesting is not a generic solution to "debconf cache" >>> being non-reproducible. It is just a quirk to hide the problem in >>> that one case for that one package. >> >> Yes I agree with you, Ideally this should be fixed from each package >> if they have such non-reproducible behaviour. > > I would want to bet that there are some packages which show similar > problems directly from upstream, but likely more in downstream isar > layers. Because a debian package on its own will simply bring its > default config, every deviation will come from something else ... like > ansible, puppet, isar ... > >> I reported a bug today in the Debian package bug-tracking system, >> though I don’t have solution for that, but I want to start discussion >> and get some solution going forward. >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1009639 > > I am not sure that is a valid debian but either, they could just tell > you to install first and configure later. The non default config is not > coming from debian. > >> Meanwhile we can use this trick to bypass non-reproducible problem, >> what's your opinion? > > I would prefer a way/idea to deal with such problems in > general. Like a quality checker script that would warn about a > populated conf cache, or a postprocess rule to clear the cache. > > That would be a real good thing, while your patch is only a workaround > for an exotic potential problem most people do not really care too much > about. > We know anyways that an isar build is never 100% reproducible ... just > try a wic run and binary diff the resulting images instead of diffing > the files on mounted partitions. > Are wic-related differences coming from the Isar-way of using wic? Or are we sharing issues with OE/Yocto? They claim to be reproducible. We will have to eventually as well. Jan -- Siemens AG, Technology Competence Center Embedded Linux