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spf=pass (google.com: domain of felix.moessbauer@siemens.com designates 2a01:111:f403:c20a::7 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=felix.moessbauer@siemens.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=siemens.com X-Original-From: "MOESSBAUER, Felix" Reply-To: "MOESSBAUER, Felix" Precedence: list Mailing-list: list isar-users@googlegroups.com; contact isar-users+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: isar-users@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 914930254986 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_MED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE,T_SPF_TEMPERROR autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on shymkent.ilbers.de X-TUID: wiZ1UqDqt3CQ On Fri, 2025-06-27 at 10:25 +0200, alexander.heinisch via isar-users wrote: > From: Alexander Heinisch > > By default population of the presets is automatically done by systemd > on first-boot. > > There were several issues with that: > > 1. The rootfs we get as a build artifact does not reflect the actual > system running in the field. This might be intentional. We especially need to ensure that things like the machine-id or ssh keys (machine fingerprint) are not populated. > > 2. For setups without writeable /etc this fails. With that addition > it happens already at build time. We already had bugs in this area (no rw on kernel cmdline) [1] and discussed with the systemd maintainers (Unfortunately I can't find the issue...). IIRC the answer was that systemd requires a RW /etc when transitioning out of the initrd. Having /etc RO is only supported under some conditions (e.g. after a on-first-boot). Unfortunately Debian itself does not rely on the systemd on-first-boot logic, but directly adds the systemd symlinks in /etc - which makes it inherently incompatible with sd first boot logic. In general, I prefer to have a concept in ISAR how we want to handle the first-boot case, instead of papering over the incompatibility of Debian-install and systemd first boot & vendor-preset over and over again. [1] https://groups.google.com/g/isar-users/c/dbxcePqSc04/m/a5y1HgGgBgAJ Felix -- Siemens AG Linux Expert Center Friedrich-Ludwig-Bauer-Str. 3 85748 Garching, Germany -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "isar-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to isar-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/isar-users/d0cdae46d5084932b25598ad3f621b81742095d0.camel%40siemens.com.