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spf=pass (google.com: domain of alexander.heinisch@siemens.com designates 2a01:111:f403:c20a::7 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=alexander.heinisch@siemens.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=siemens.com X-Original-From: "Heinisch, Alexander" Reply-To: "Heinisch, Alexander" Precedence: list Mailing-list: list isar-users@googlegroups.com; contact isar-users+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: isar-users@googlegroups.com X-Google-Group-Id: 914930254986 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_MED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,RCVD_IN_RP_CERTIFIED, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RCVD_IN_RP_SAFE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on shymkent.ilbers.de X-TUID: ODtGrDsb1Lt+ On Tue, 2025-12-16 at 02:32 +0000, Prusty, Badrikesh (FT FDS CES LX PBU 2) wrote: > Hi, > > > Before I introduced this postprocessing step some services got > > enabled > > on first boot which was not reflected in the images rootfs after > > build. > > So the idea was to align the build artifacts to what was actually > > running on the system. (and by that supporting ro /usr + /etc > > systems) > > > > Systemd back then (and afaik as of now) on first boot only > > populates > > the presets with flag --enable-only. > > > > I agree with the goal of aligning the build artifacts with what > actually runs on the > system. However, I think the closer match to first-boot behavior > would be to run > `systemctl preset-all`. According to the systemd man pages, this is > what is executed > on first boot, whereas enable-only changes the semantics. > While this holds true for invocations of of systemctl preset-all, this is not the case for systemd during first-boot! >From systemd changelog: ``` * Systemd can optionally do a full preset in the "first boot" condition (instead of just enable-only). This behaviour is controlled by the compile-time option -Dfirst-boot-full-preset. Right now it defaults to 'false', but the plan is to switch it to 'true' for the subsequent release. ``` According to [1],[2] and [3] this (defaults to false) is still the case. Also on the debian source package (for trixie) I could not find any patch changing this. [1]: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/6066106b3c066a6091d3edb2367c4f0a15c87025/meson_options.txt#L32 [2]: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/6066106b3c066a6091d3edb2367c4f0a15c87025/meson.build#L335 [3]:https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/6066106b3c066a6091d3edb2367c4f0a15c87025/src/core/manager.c#L1940 > Using enable-only ignores disable presets and still enable units (as > in the case > I shared earlier), which can cause the rootfs to diverge from the > intended preset > policy. preset-all respects both enable and disable presets and > should align the > image more closely. > > > system). At least such feature should be opt-in. Also a note about > > this > > change should be put in the RECIPE-API-CHANGELOG.md > > > > This change is already well documented in RECIPE-API-CHANGELOG.md, > so no additional note should be necessary. It clearly states enable only semantics. BR Alexander > > Many thanks, > Badrikesh > > ________________________________________ > From: 'Prusty, Badrikesh' via isar-users > > Sent: 15 December 2025 19:28 > To: Heinisch, Alexander (FT RPD CED SES-AT); > isar-users@googlegroups.com; Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) > Subject: Re: [PATCH] image-postproc: apply all systemd preset rules > and ignore failures > > > Hi Felix / Alex, > > Thanks for review. > > > is this change in sync regarding what Debian does during > > installation? > > Debian does not run `systemctl preset-all` automatically at the end > of the OS installation. > > The systemd manpage in Debian states that on the first boot, systemd > will enable or disable > services according to preset policy, similar to running `systemctl > preset-all`. > Reference: > https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/systemd/systemd.preset.5.en.html > > > Enabling additional services should be fine in general, but > > disabling > > bears some risk in case packages that otherwise only enable > > services > > via symlink in /etc get disabled again. > > Yes, the point is correct and, but here `systemctl preset-all` would > only apply according > to the rules defined in /usr/lib/systemd/system-preset/*.preset (or > /etc/systemd/system-preset/), > not to all services. > > The other issue I encountered was with a custom preset rule. For > example, > I created a preset file 90-no-reboot.preset containing the following > rule: > ``` > disable ctrl-alt-del.target > ``` > > When running `systemctl preset-all --preset-mode=enable-only` this > rule is ignored, > and enabled ctrl-alt-del.target (i.e., gets symlinked to > reboot.target). However, running > `systemctl preset-all` without specifying `--preset-mode` (i.e., the > default full mode) > correctly applies the preset and disables ctrl-alt-del.target. > > Thank you, > Badrikesh > > > ________________________________________ > From: Heinisch, Alexander (FT RPD CED SES-AT) > > Sent: 15 December 2025 17:20 > To: Prusty, Badrikesh (FT FDS CES LX PBU 2); > isar-users@googlegroups.com; Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES-DE) > Subject: Re: [PATCH] image-postproc: apply all systemd preset rules > and ignore failures > > On Mon, 2025-12-15 at 07:31 +0000, Moessbauer, Felix (FT RPD CED OES- > DE) wrote: > > On Fri, 2025-12-12 at 00:32 -0500, 'Badrikesh Prusty' via isar- > > users > > wrote: > > > Update image postprocessing to run 'systemctl preset-all' without > > > restricting to '--preset-mode=enable-only', so that both enable > > > and > > > disable rules from systemd preset files are applied. > > > > > > Add '|| true' to ignore failures from already masked units set by > > > package post-install scripts during rootfs_install tasks. > > > > Hi, > > > > is this change in sync regarding what Debian does during > > installation? > > Enabling additional services should be fine in general, but > > disabling > > bears some risk in case packages that otherwise only enable > > services > > via symlink in /etc get disabled again. > > > > Before I introduced this postprocessing step some services got > enabled > on first boot which was not reflected in the images rootfs after > build. > So the idea was to align the build artifacts to what was actually > running on the system. (and by that supporting ro /usr + /etc > systems) > > Systemd back then (and afaik as of now) on first boot only populates > the presets with flag --enable-only. > One can change this behavior with compile time flag -Dfirst-boot- > full- > preset which seems not to be the case. > > Imo, disabling services during the postprocessing changes the image > in > an unexpected way (as this does not happen by default on the running > system). At least such feature should be opt-in. Also a note about > this > change should be put in the RECIPE-API-CHANGELOG.md > > BR Alexander > > > Do you know if this topic has already been discussed in upstream > > Debian? > > > > +CC Alexander > > > > Felix > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Badrikesh Prusty > > > --- > > > meta/classes-recipe/rootfs.bbclass | 2 +- > > > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) > > > > > > diff --git a/meta/classes-recipe/rootfs.bbclass b/meta/classes- > > > recipe/rootfs.bbclass > > > index 8485b32f..7e79bb8e 100644 > > > --- a/meta/classes-recipe/rootfs.bbclass > > > +++ b/meta/classes-recipe/rootfs.bbclass > > > @@ -574,7 +574,7 @@ image_postprocess_populate_systemd_preset() { > > > --show systemd || echo "" ) > > > > > > if (test "$SYSTEMD_INSTALLED" = "installed"); then > > > - sudo chroot '${ROOTFSDIR}' systemctl preset-all -- > > > preset- > > > mode="enable-only" > > > + sudo chroot '${ROOTFSDIR}' systemctl preset-all || true > > > fi > > > } > > > > > > -- > > > 2.47.3 > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > Google > > > Groups "isar-users" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > > send an email to isar-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > To view this discussion visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/isar-users/20251212053214.80936-1-badrikesh.prusty%40siemens.com > > > . > > -- > Alexander Heinisch > Siemens AG > http://www.siemens.com/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "isar-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to isar-users+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/isar-users/SG2PR06MB5107E12994821DDF3B9F34B191ADA%40SG2PR06MB5107.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com > . -- Alexander Heinisch Siemens AG http://www.siemens.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "isar-users" group. 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